Not Saussure

December 11, 2006

Where angels fear to tread

Filed under: Blogroll, Opinion polls, Wingnuts — notsaussure @ 6:02 pm

I write this with some trepidation, for reasons that may become obvious. The background, in brief, is that a punch-up seems to have developed between Devil’s Kitchen and someone called Chad, who runs a site called UKIP Home. Chad’s taken exception to the fact that DK, despite having announced some time ago that he’s joined UKIP, is still as critical — and foul-mouthed — about UKIP when he thinks they’re in the wrong as is he of just about everyone else.

Most ticked off, is Chad, and is accusing the Devil of being a Tory stooge, in cahoots with Iain Dale and heaven knows what else. He’s implied that DK has hacked his site and is clearly no gentleman since he’s apparently started publishing DK’s real name. Rhetorically Speaking sums it up better than could I, as does the excellent Longrider, who has also proved himself infinitely more patient than ever would be with Chad’s jumping up and down in his comments column. Hence my trepidation.

I take the opportunity to remark briefly on the irony of someone accusing DK of seeking to undermine UKIP when, in fact, the fact he’s joined them has probably caused many people to take them rather more seriously, since underneath all the ranting and swearing he’s a very intelligent and thoughtful writer whom many people (including me, for what it’s worth) take seriously, despite disagreeing with much of what he says.

However, my main point was this dispute took me to UKIP Home to see what all the fuss was about. A bit of a waste of time; it apparently incorporates ‘the centre for progressive conservatism,’ which sounds to me about as good an idea as alcohol-free beer. Sort of reminded me of the type of chaps who actually joined the university Conservative Association because they were interested in party policy rather than some interesting speaker meetings, good parties and meeting some girls (very important consideration back when most Oxbridge colleges were still men only).

In a recent post, Chad discusses YouGov’s latest poll for the Telegraph and remarks,

Support for ‘others’ is now almost as big as support for the LibDems at a whopping 15%.

People really are turning away from the LibLabCon-sensus Westminster elite.

Surely the honest thing would be for pollsters to start listing UKIP properly instead of lumping it in with ‘other’?

That puzzled me, since I thought YouGov did give detailed breakdowns; consequently I went to their site and found the full poll results. Here we are, on the first page of the .pdf:

Headline Voting Intention
Con 37
Lab 32
Lib Dem 16
Other 15

Other Parties Voting Intention
SNP / PCY 4
UKIP 3
BNP 3
Green 3
Respect 1
Veritas 0
Other 1

I seek to make no political point about the figures; it’s just I’m not particularly impressed by someone accusing others of dishonesty when what he really means is he can’t be arsed to look something up for himself.

Why, people might wonder, am I going on about it here rather than setting him right in his comments column? Because you have to register to post a comment. Nothing unusual about that, one might well say, and so there isn’t. But it’s a tad unusual, in my experience at least, to have to pay to register to comment on a political site.

And I’m buggered if I’m going to pay £2.50 to set someone straight who can’t be bothered to do their own research.

Incidentally, I notice that UKIP Home’s blogroll has Tim Worstall dowb as a ‘UKIP blog’. I know the excellent Mr W is not only a Pendant but a Proud member of the Euronihilist Community, but UKIP? That rather surprises me.


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9 Comments »

  1. My patience was tried, somewhat…

    Comment by Longrider — December 11, 2006 @ 7:42 pm

  2. Ooops, and to finish… give a man enough rope…

    Comment by Longrider — December 11, 2006 @ 7:43 pm

  3. I saw that this morning as well. Surprised me too. I’ve met a few of the UKIPers a couple of times (the last time with DK actually) but not a member of the party and even if I were to become so that wouldn’t make my blog a party blog.

    Comment by Tim Worstall — December 12, 2006 @ 3:29 pm

  4. I thought he must be taking your name in vain, Tim. Seems to be a bit of a habit of his, judging the way the comments thread over at Longrider’s blog developed.

    Comment by notsaussure — December 12, 2006 @ 4:45 pm

  5. The paying for comments thing is rather odd- like you did I went across from DK and from Matt Sinclair who has also had a run in with this figure and wanted to correct something can’t remember what now but couldn’t be bothered to do it for two quid fifty. I don’t think he’ll last long though- at least he isn’t going to get any readers who are regulars if he makes them pay to comment!

    Comment by Gracchi — December 12, 2006 @ 5:58 pm

  6. There sure seems to be a lot of pathetic willy-waving going on in the “blogosphere” of late.

    Comment by . — December 12, 2006 @ 6:23 pm

  7. Indeed so, Obsolete. According to one blogger, Puddlejumper, we’re probably all suffering from a general lack of sunlight, which sounds all too possible. What with this, the Bob Piper fuss (sorry — I hadn’t read your piece when I stuck my oar in) and this little scrap, I’m incline to agree that we all seem to have forgotten our Prozac. Stressed out by Christmas shopping, maybe?

    Comment by notsaussure — December 13, 2006 @ 12:18 am

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