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		<title>By: notsaussure</title>
		<link>http://notsaussure.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/oh-dear-oh-dear/#comment-16794</link>
		<dc:creator>notsaussure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 20:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.   I didn&#039;t, of course, mean to imply you&#039;d invented it, but I&#039;m interested to learn that  Nathaniel Bailey didn&#039;t himself invent it but presumably found it in Burton.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.   I didn&#8217;t, of course, mean to imply you&#8217;d invented it, but I&#8217;m interested to learn that  Nathaniel Bailey didn&#8217;t himself invent it but presumably found it in Burton.</p>
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		<title>By: wordcrafter</title>
		<link>http://notsaussure.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/oh-dear-oh-dear/#comment-16626</link>
		<dc:creator>wordcrafter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 01:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: &quot;Not having a copy of Mr Bailey’s dictionary to hand (someone must have borrowed it), I can’t say if he gives any references or if it’s just something he made up. Probably the latter since, as you say, it’s not in the OED.&quot;

I&#039;m the fellow who wrote that wikipedia entry. And yes, I verified it in Bailey, at the local university&#039;s library. For more details see discussion at http://wordcraft.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/932607094/m/7886078523?r=2216042033#2216042033 by me and Mo. Shea; as he notes, you&#039;ll find the word in Bailey&#039;s and (in this century) in Shea&#039;s book, Shipley&#039;s, and Mrs. Byrne&#039;s. It also appears in Burton&#039;s &quot;Anatomy of Melancholy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: &#8220;Not having a copy of Mr Bailey’s dictionary to hand (someone must have borrowed it), I can’t say if he gives any references or if it’s just something he made up. Probably the latter since, as you say, it’s not in the OED.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the fellow who wrote that wikipedia entry. And yes, I verified it in Bailey, at the local university&#8217;s library. For more details see discussion at <a href="http://wordcraft.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/932607094/m/7886078523?r=2216042033#2216042033" rel="nofollow">http://wordcraft.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/932607094/m/7886078523?r=2216042033#2216042033</a> by me and Mo. Shea; as he notes, you&#8217;ll find the word in Bailey&#8217;s and (in this century) in Shea&#8217;s book, Shipley&#8217;s, and Mrs. Byrne&#8217;s. It also appears in Burton&#8217;s &#8220;Anatomy of Melancholy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: notsaussure</title>
		<link>http://notsaussure.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/oh-dear-oh-dear/#comment-8265</link>
		<dc:creator>notsaussure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the Wikipedia entry for&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Schadenfreude&lt;/a&gt; (which I suppose I should have referenced, too),
&lt;blockquote&gt;Usually, it is believed that Schadenfreude has no direct English equivalent. For example, Harper Collins German-English Dictionary translates schadenfreude as &quot;malicious glee or gloating.&quot; An apparent English equivalent is epicaricacy, derived from the Greek word επιχαιρεκακία, epichaerecacia. This word does not appear in most modern dictionaries, but does appear in Nathaniel Bailey&#039;s Universal Etymological English Dictionary (1727) under a slightly different spelling (epicharikaky), which gives its etymology as a compound of epi (upon), chara (joy), and kakon (evil).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not having a copy of Mr Bailey&#039;s dictionary to hand (someone must have borrowed it), I can&#039;t say if he gives any references or if it&#039;s just something he made up.  Probably the latter since, as you say, it&#039;s not in the OED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Wikipedia entry for<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude" rel="nofollow"> Schadenfreude</a> (which I suppose I should have referenced, too),</p>
<blockquote><p>Usually, it is believed that Schadenfreude has no direct English equivalent. For example, Harper Collins German-English Dictionary translates schadenfreude as &#8220;malicious glee or gloating.&#8221; An apparent English equivalent is epicaricacy, derived from the Greek word επιχαιρεκακία, epichaerecacia. This word does not appear in most modern dictionaries, but does appear in Nathaniel Bailey&#8217;s Universal Etymological English Dictionary (1727) under a slightly different spelling (epicharikaky), which gives its etymology as a compound of epi (upon), chara (joy), and kakon (evil).</p></blockquote>
<p>Not having a copy of Mr Bailey&#8217;s dictionary to hand (someone must have borrowed it), I can&#8217;t say if he gives any references or if it&#8217;s just something he made up.  Probably the latter since, as you say, it&#8217;s not in the OED.</p>
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		<title>By: pedant2007</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe the statement about &quot;epicaricacy&quot;. It&#039;s in Wiktionary, not the OED; of course it might be a fresh minting, but it appears to be a non-standard transliteration of the Greek word mentioned in the first reference the OED provides for (the *English* word) Schadenfreude. A correct transliteration would be
&quot;epichairecacy&quot;, at a guess. At any rate, that&#039;s my recommendation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe the statement about &#8220;epicaricacy&#8221;. It&#8217;s in Wiktionary, not the OED; of course it might be a fresh minting, but it appears to be a non-standard transliteration of the Greek word mentioned in the first reference the OED provides for (the *English* word) Schadenfreude. A correct transliteration would be<br />
&#8220;epichairecacy&#8221;, at a guess. At any rate, that&#8217;s my recommendation.</p>
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		<title>By: alabastercodify</title>
		<link>http://notsaussure.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/oh-dear-oh-dear/#comment-8002</link>
		<dc:creator>alabastercodify</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a fan of Fawkes either, but as someone on Nick Robinson&#039;s blog pointed out, for Robinson to say &quot;when I have stories, I publish them&quot; is bollocks - did he not know that the leader of a major party was an alcoholic? At the very least it&#039;s a Nelsonian kind of knowledge he had. So it&#039;s a particularly blatant lie.

It&#039;s not a point that Staines made, but I think the problem is not complicity amongst MSM political journalist  - it&#039;s their lack of specialisation. Why should a health minister and a defence minister be interviewed by the same general-purpose &quot;political&quot; journalist? Blogs like EUReferendum or BOM, tho clearly partisan, show how futile this is, and how much better it could be. It&#039;s not so much that people like Robinson refrain from asking the tough questions - it&#039;s that they&#039;re intrinsically incapable most of the time of knowing what those questions are. Guido (along with loads of other people) is definitely right that Robinson et al are a huge part of the problem -he&#039;s just got the wrong reasoning, and the wrong answers.

A plague on both their houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a fan of Fawkes either, but as someone on Nick Robinson&#8217;s blog pointed out, for Robinson to say &#8220;when I have stories, I publish them&#8221; is bollocks &#8211; did he not know that the leader of a major party was an alcoholic? At the very least it&#8217;s a Nelsonian kind of knowledge he had. So it&#8217;s a particularly blatant lie.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a point that Staines made, but I think the problem is not complicity amongst MSM political journalist  &#8211; it&#8217;s their lack of specialisation. Why should a health minister and a defence minister be interviewed by the same general-purpose &#8220;political&#8221; journalist? Blogs like EUReferendum or BOM, tho clearly partisan, show how futile this is, and how much better it could be. It&#8217;s not so much that people like Robinson refrain from asking the tough questions &#8211; it&#8217;s that they&#8217;re intrinsically incapable most of the time of knowing what those questions are. Guido (along with loads of other people) is definitely right that Robinson et al are a huge part of the problem -he&#8217;s just got the wrong reasoning, and the wrong answers.</p>
<p>A plague on both their houses.</p>
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		<title>By: PooterGeek &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Shady Character</title>
		<link>http://notsaussure.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/oh-dear-oh-dear/#comment-7998</link>
		<dc:creator>PooterGeek &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Shady Character</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I recommend this Google Blogsearch as well. In particular, whilst ranting about Tories, &#8220;Hamer Shawcross&#8221;, another anonymous watcher-of-parliament, captures something of Fawkes&#8217;s blog&#8217;s contribution to contemporary debate and &#8220;notsaussure&#8221; tells us the English for schadenfreude. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I recommend this Google Blogsearch as well. In particular, whilst ranting about Tories, &#8220;Hamer Shawcross&#8221;, another anonymous watcher-of-parliament, captures something of Fawkes&#8217;s blog&#8217;s contribution to contemporary debate and &#8220;notsaussure&#8221; tells us the English for schadenfreude. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ireland</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see how this could have turned out worse for Staines.

He looked weak and stupid in front of his team of bullies, his somewhat skewed moderation policy was in full view immediately afterward (along with many unconvincing sock-puppets... all screaming &quot;Sock-puppet!&quot; at negative comments, no less) and - retraction or not - that final blurt is going to stick in a lot of people&#039;s minds, which is sure to cause some sources to shy away. There are also some sources who only feed Staines to be part of something &#039;cool&#039;... and from there we head straight back to the beginning of this paragraph.

One big spiral downwards is what it looks like.

PS - Thank you for &#039;epicaricacy&#039;. I shall try to work it into conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see how this could have turned out worse for Staines.</p>
<p>He looked weak and stupid in front of his team of bullies, his somewhat skewed moderation policy was in full view immediately afterward (along with many unconvincing sock-puppets&#8230; all screaming &#8220;Sock-puppet!&#8221; at negative comments, no less) and &#8211; retraction or not &#8211; that final blurt is going to stick in a lot of people&#8217;s minds, which is sure to cause some sources to shy away. There are also some sources who only feed Staines to be part of something &#8216;cool&#8217;&#8230; and from there we head straight back to the beginning of this paragraph.</p>
<p>One big spiral downwards is what it looks like.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Thank you for &#8216;epicaricacy&#8217;. I shall try to work it into conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: jailhouselawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jailhouselawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orange? As said, it ends in inge. The first letter you have to supply yourself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orange? As said, it ends in inge. The first letter you have to supply yourself&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: crushed by Ingsoc</title>
		<link>http://notsaussure.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/oh-dear-oh-dear/#comment-7977</link>
		<dc:creator>crushed by Ingsoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The outbreak of anti-Guido is alive and well, I see.
Don&#039;t go there often because the amount of comments that appear means it&#039;s hard to follow the threads.

We prefer friendly blogs lik this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The outbreak of anti-Guido is alive and well, I see.<br />
Don&#8217;t go there often because the amount of comments that appear means it&#8217;s hard to follow the threads.</p>
<p>We prefer friendly blogs lik this.</p>
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		<title>By: notsaussure</title>
		<link>http://notsaussure.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/oh-dear-oh-dear/#comment-7975</link>
		<dc:creator>notsaussure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Mr E.   I&#039;m still working on a rhyme for &#039;orange,&#039; though.   Watch this space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mr E.   I&#8217;m still working on a rhyme for &#8216;orange,&#8217; though.   Watch this space.</p>
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