Not Saussure

September 28, 2006

Dr Reid again

Filed under: Law, Politics, UK — notsaussure @ 8:32 pm

Chris Dillow, at Stumbling and Mumbling asks, with particular reference to Reid’s apparent enthusiasm for both fairness and immigration controls ‘Dr Reid: Racist or Moron?‘. Nothing to stop Reid from being both, of course, but the case for his being a moron is certainly strengthened by this, from his speech:

And why shouldn’t violent offenders pay towards the healthcare costs of their victims?

Maybe because according to the current Court of Appeal and Sentencing Council guidelines,

* A compensation order should not be made if it would subject the offender on release from prison to a financial burden he might not be able to meet without committing further crime.
* Accordingly, someone sentenced to custody should not also be ordered to pay compensation without evidence that he would have the means to pay.

and, if he does have the means to pay, most people would think his victim, rather than the local NHS Trust, should have first claim on the money.


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6 Comments »

  1. why shouldn’t violent offenders pay towards the healthcare costs of their victims?

    It seems our Home Secretary has been reading a little too much Robert Henlein.

    Comment by conspicuousconsumption — September 28, 2006 @ 10:24 pm

  2. I’m afraid I’m not sufficiently familiar with the works Robert Henlein to comment, other than that I know, of course, he was the inspiration for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3V35bmQADk
    Reid’s idea really irritates me; it sounds superficially attractive until you think through the implications — he’s going to find himself pursuing vast numbers of 18-year-olds for money they haven’t got and which, if they did have any, would be better paid to their victims. It’s like the Child Support Agency; you think, ‘Yes, good idea that absent fathers should have to pay towards their child’s upkeep’ and then you realise that the money is actually going to HMG rather than the child.

    Comment by notsaussure — September 28, 2006 @ 10:49 pm

  3. There’s just something about the Home Office that invariably drives ministers mad. And the scary evil sort of mad at that. A different more frothing, thud of bodies in dark corners, screams of agonised victims, sort of madness than the flavour of insanity they pick up from being in the Treasury or the lunacy that creeps up on one due to supporting (or being) a Prime Minister.

    Of course some people end up in the Home Office because they have given their souls the Elder Gods already, and therefore have *apititude*.

    After all, Tony Blair used to be Shadow Home Secretary, and look what happened to him!

    Comment by Skapusniak — September 29, 2006 @ 9:48 am

  4. I’ve heard the theory that there is, in fact, an evil Home Office brain.

    Whenever anyone, whatever his party, becomes Home Secretary, they remove the brain he was born with and replace it with a clone of the evil original that sits festering and scheming away in a bottle somewhere in a bunker in Marsham Street (it was dropped on the move from Queen Anne’s Gate, which explains the unusually erratic behaviour of the last few Home Secretaries).

    Comment by notsaussure — September 29, 2006 @ 7:25 pm

  5. I’m afraid I’m not sufficiently familiar with the works Robert Henlein to comment

    It was just that the standard truisim about Henlein is that one reads one of his amazingly right wing books and comes away from the experience thinking “people who do hit and runs should be run over by cars themselves!!!“. Maybe the Home Office Brain has just had too much Starship Troopers.

    That was just a flip comment though – as you say, the idea of following it through in practice is absurd…

    Comment by conspicuousconsumption — September 29, 2006 @ 11:43 pm

  6. Of course some people end up in the Home Office because they have given their souls the Elder Gods already, and therefore have *apititude*
    One of the Elder Gods, by the way, ran in the US Presidential Elections; you can learn more about his policies at

    http://www.cthulhu.org/cthulhu/positions.html

    Comment by notsaussure — September 30, 2006 @ 10:22 pm


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